[sushrukh]

Yep MS only learns from others (sometimes) & employ them after everybody else have employed them.

[Vipralion]

Originally Posted by SkyFuser

All opinions are biased. It's not a preconceived conception, it just HAPPENS. I mean, there'd be no reason to start spewing @)#*%)*^! if nothing was wrong. <_<
Define open-minded, please. Why must you impress your values onto me? It's not like your opinions are more justified than mine.

Open-minded: receptive to arguments and ideas, as defined by Merriam-Webster.

Outright stating your hate for Microsoft is rude. You realize that the corporation is not at all Bill Gates right? There are thousands of people who work their from developers, accountants, PR reps, etc. who keep the company alive. Your hate is just plain ignorant.

Considering that I typically don't state opinions, I'd say you don't have much argument there and are just lashing out at me. I never say either competitor or product is better. I just state my observances and what should be taken into consideration for others to make a fair and thought out conclusion in the matter, as much as a mind can be concluded on the matter, of course.

And as far as impressing my values on you goes, how am I doing that when all I desire is for you to make logical arguments and leave your hate speech out of it?

[SkyFuser]

Originally Posted by Vipralion

Open-minded: receptive to arguments and ideas, as defined by Merriam-Webster.

Outright stating your hate for Microsoft is rude. You realize that the corporation is not at all Bill Gates right? There are thousands of people who work their from developers, accountants, PR reps, etc. who keep the company alive. Your hate is just plain ignorant.

Considering that I typically don't state opinions, I'd say you don't have much argument there and are just lashing out at me. I never say either competitor or product is better. I just state my observances and what should be taken into consideration for others to make a fair and thought out conclusion in the matter, as much as a mind can be concluded on the matter, of course.

And as far as impressing my values on you goes, how am I doing that when all I desire is for you to make logical arguments and leave your hate speech out of it?

I'm very open to ideas. You just haven't convinced me yet.
And it is NOT ignorant to base opinions on facts, at least facts are more accurate than opinions.
And you seem to be misunderstanding my "hate." I hate the corporation's products in general, because they crash, they're expensive, and there are tons of alternatives that are much better. If that connects to the original creators, well then, boo <_<
If you're suggesting I'm not being fair to Microsoft I can say that I've just finished installing Ubuntu on the computer after a whole 10 hours and at least 15 failed attempts. I'm sorry, but there's something seriously flawed with the computer if it need that many attempts. After installing Ubuntu, it was so fast it shocked me. It has not even crashed on me yet. I find that after using both OS for a while, safe to think that Ubuntu is more stable, and to me, that's just what makes a product better than others.
We're free to disagree of course, you have your opinion, I have mine.

[Yert]

You totally forgot Opera.

[Yert]

The sad thing is though, most people, if they have to reinstall ten times with Windows, blame Windows; but if they have to reinstall Linux ten times, they blame the hardware.

The bias is there, and people throw it out. They hate Microsoft for being the big company. They also hate Microsoft because of all the FUD that people spew about Microsoft. I could ask about Vista to ten people, but if someone made the exact same product, and it wasn't Microsoft, I can almost gareentee a better reception. THe FUD campaign against Microsoft is one of the best in history.

For example, 9x was buggy. It crashes a lot. But that was over a decade ago. NT, the base for XP is stabile and rarely crashes. When it does, it is because of faulty drivers. Another point. XP wasn't exactly secured to the net, and 9x was much worse back in 2001. Mcirosoft fixed that too. Not we have XP SP3, and even further Vista. Vista even complete the run as adminstrator problem on top of other security!

Microsoft products are also cheap. You can get MS Office for less then $40 a computer. You can get Vista for less then $200, or Home (Premium) for less then $130. If you have Windows, you get a number of free things. You get a free VM with an XP image on it (Vista). You get a free web browser and media player (okay, these are free anyways). You get Powershell. You get DirectX. You get a number of multimedia tools to run with.

Finally, I would content that Microsoft products, in general, are better then the competitions'. Maybe not IE, but their flagship products. Windows runs on most computers. Not because there aren't any alternatives. Not because your locked into Microsoft. Not because you can't buy the alternatives preinstalled. There is no reason to buy Windows other than that you like the OS. Thus, it must have quality, with the large marketshare.

---

For the browser war, I like Opera alot. Firefox will hold a place in my heart. IE7 is usable. Safari can rot for all I care.

[Vipralion]

Originally Posted by SkyFuser

I'm very open to ideas. You just haven't convinced me yet.
And it is NOT ignorant to base opinions on facts, at least facts are more accurate than opinions.
And you seem to be misunderstanding my "hate." I hate the corporation's products in general, because they crash, they're expensive, and there are tons of alternatives that are much better. If that connects to the original creators, well then, boo <_<
If you're suggesting I'm not being fair to Microsoft I can say that I've just finished installing Ubuntu on the computer after a whole 10 hours and at least 15 failed attempts. I'm sorry, but there's something seriously flawed with the computer if it need that many attempts. After installing Ubuntu, it was so fast it shocked me. It has not even crashed on me yet. I find that after using both OS for a while, safe to think that Ubuntu is more stable, and to me, that's just what makes a product better than others.
We're free to disagree of course, you have your opinion, I have mine.

And the thing is that, yes, you have your own opinion, but you have not heard mine at all, so there's nothing to disagree with. Further more, you cannot be open-minded as you are biased by your personal experiences and fail to see the big picture. As such, you are disagreeing with wanting to make logical and fair thoughts, while I simply don't acknowledge your opinions as respectable, nor contributing as a result of that.

You hate Microsoft because it's a fact that you do! There you go, you're all justified now, no need to continue this.

[SkyFuser]

Lol no really, believe me it really is the hardware. I gave the DVD to a friend, and she managed to install in 1 try. Can't have left anything to say there about the computer's problem :\
OPENOFFICE!!!
You know, I can't really name a product I would rather have as a Microsoft brand than anything else.
ROFL at your signature

[SkyFuser]

Originally Posted by Vipralion

And the thing is that, yes, you have your own opinion, but you have not heard mine at all, so there's nothing to disagree with. Further more, you cannot be open-minded as you are biased by your personal experiences and fail to see the big picture. As such, you are disagreeing with wanting to make logical and fair thoughts, while I simply don't acknowledge your opinions as respectable, nor contributing as a result of that.

You hate Microsoft because it's a fact that you do! There you go, you're all justified now, no need to continue this.

I've heard you. I said, I hate Microsoft. You said, I disagree with you. And here we're discussing the basis of our disagreements.

I am open-minded as long as there's something that proves to me my computer actually has more worth than I give it. And if being biased by personal experiences makes us not open-minded, there is NO ONE. NO ONE, I say, that is open-minded.

Who are you to tell me what's logic and what's not? You're biased yourself in saying you disagree with me, that Microsoft isn't as bad as I say it is.

[Vipralion]

Originally Posted by SkyFuser

I've heard you. I said, I hate Microsoft. You said, I disagree with you. And here we're discussing the basis of our disagreements.

I am open-minded as long as there's something that proves to me my computer actually has more worth than I give it. And if being biased by personal experiences makes us not open-minded, there is NO ONE. NO ONE, I say, that is open-minded.

Who are you to tell me what's logic and what's not? You're biased yourself in saying you disagree with me, that Microsoft isn't as bad as I say it is.

Actually, I never did say that I disagreed with you, only that you should be more open-minded. That's hardly being biased.

I've put a substantial amount of time and energy into assessing the question of can someone be completely open-minded as well as unbiased? And the answer is yes. I am open-minded in that I'll accept your argument for consideration regardless of its amount of bias because it may still contain a provoking point that shouldn't be left alone, but in order to remain unbiased, you cannot decide one way or the other. And that is exactly what I've done. I've not said either is better, only pointed out things to be considered, numerous observations, etc.

[SkyFuser]

Originally Posted by Vipralion

Actually, I never did say that I disagreed with you, only that you should be more open-minded. That's hardly being biased.

I've put a substantial amount of time and energy into assessing the question of can someone be completely open-minded as well as unbiased? And the answer is yes. I am open-minded in that I'll accept your argument for consideration regardless of its amount of bias because it may still contain a provoking point that shouldn't be left alone, but in order to remain unbiased, you cannot decide one way or the other. And that is exactly what I've done. I've not said either is better, only pointed out things to be considered, numerous observations, etc.

You're not reading what I wrote. If I suddenly realize how much better my computer is I will love it and take back my ideas. But so far that hasn't happened, so why should I think otherwise?

And you're assessing the wrong thing. Of course someone can be open-minded as well as unbiased. What you originally stated was that I was biased and I was not open-minded. The real thing you need to assess is if you can be biased AND open-minded.